Edmund Phelps Raises Doubts About Keynesian Remedies
Yves Smith
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Nov 5, 2008
Edmund Phelps, a Nobel Prize winner, casts doubts on Keynesian remedies because Keynes himself came to question them. This Financial Times piece provides no answers but raises some interesting questions. But sadly, there may be no answer for the first question he asks:
Notice how Keynes expected employment to fall in capital goods industries. We have no version 2.0 for an economy so heavily dependent on financial services. I also wonder, even though the US badly needs infrastructure, if any of these newfangled theories allow for how specialized labor has become. One of the reasons that employment didn't fall sooner is that even seemingly mundane jobs now require employer specific knowledge (computer systems, internal procedures) that make it more costly to bring a new person on board and deters firing. Put more simply, how is creating jobs in repairing infrastructure going to help unemployed bank workers? Even if they were willing, many will prove not to be able, and will also be living at a remove from where the jobs would be. In an advanced economy, labor is not terribly fungible. Originally published at Naked Capitalism and reproduced here with the author's permission.
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This characterization of Keynes and his remedies is as flimsy as it could be. Markets are not self-correcting, aggregate demand determines output and in times of underemployment the private sector and the public sector are complements, not substitutes.
Would Keynes have focused on private investment in a time when the consumer is dead? Likely not. To suggest that back-door subsidies through the tax code are Keynesian is ... nonsense. Empirical evidence from Reagan through Bush demonstrates companies are not persuaded by tax give-aways, but by the prospect of making a profit, i.e., demand. The final paragraph of the FT article that is quoted is just scurrilous and wrong. At a time when Keynes thinking should be vindicated, we don't need this pap.
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By Demand Side on 2008-11-05 10:58:14
This whole discussion is antiquated. Keynes knew absolutely NOTHING about the importance of individually enforceable rights in sustaining the facts on the ground. We need a stand in place order. Never mind building bridges to nowhere--let's concentrate on where people live right now.
Did Keynes ever advocate a ban on housing evictions as a means of stabilizing the economy? Never. He didn't have the education or insight to understand the importance of rights in the economic equation. Indeed, he was an old police-state guy: WE know better than you, WE know better than the facts. NO ONE knows better than housing. If you will shut up, housing will speak. If you keep babbling, housing will shut up, and YOU will be the loser by its silence. When we shut up, the facts speak. When we talk, they shut up. BAN HOUSING EVICTIONS NOW. And for more wonderful insight into this question, read John Ryskamp, The Eminent Domain Revolt. Try growing up and taking a look at the facts. But don't expect this from the "liberal" Obama (assuming he isn't indicted in the Rezko investigation). He's simply there to loot whatever can be looted for the Syrian mafia.
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By JohnRyskamp on 2008-11-05 11:34:58
Get a life dude, your dribble is both incoherent and off topic.
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By Anonymous on 2008-11-06 13:17:53
In the late 1990s US and European firms moved jobs to China at the same time that they imported low priced goods made in China.
Phelps won a Nobel Prize by noticing that after the mid-1990s US firms boomed without US labor rates inflating which went against the Phillips curve, and he had ideas for why this happened which were related to managed expectations about inflation. I think it happened because US workers had lost their jobs but were still able to increase consumption because loose lending and securitization allowed them to borrow savings locked in their homes. So you had an economic boom because consumption continued despite flat or falling US labor wages. Somehow the economists have not yet noticed that this was the reason the Phillips curve no longer worked. Maybe someday another genius will get a Nobel prize for noticing that exporting jobs to cheap labor areas in combination with borrowing and spending home equity likely had a lot to do the Phillips curve no longer working.
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By Anonymous on 2008-11-06 18:49:18
I don't ordinarily argue with people who win Nobel prizes, but I have to agree with the first commenter above: Phelps's take on The General Theory is so off base I have to wonder if we read the same book.
At no point did Keynes make the "huge mistake" of failing to distinguish between declines in aggregate demand caused by monetary shocks and those caused by a decline in expected returns on investment. It would have been odd if he had, in a book written in the middle of the Great Depression. Indeed, he devoted the entire second half of the book to the latter problem, and the limits of monetary policy as a remedy. Likewise, Phelps simply appears to be babbling when he complains that traditional Keynesian countercylical policies interfere with the need for "diversity in sources of new commercial ideas," or subvert the virtues of having capitalists who are "accountable to no one." Does anyone seriously believe that an excess of accoutability is at the root of the current crisis? Or that our most desperate need is for a more diverse set of investment ideas?? Considering that the house is burning to the ground around us, these are long run considerations -- at best. And we all know what Keynes said about the long run.
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By Peter Principle on 2008-11-15 23:51:00
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