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Central banks came close to financing the entire US current account deficit over the past four quarters

Brad Setser | Oct 2, 2007

I have been reserve-obsessed for quite some time now.   The uphill flow of funds from the emerging economies to advanced economies strikes me as the defining feature of today's global economy.   That flow is entirely a central bank and sovereign wealth fund flow.  

Indeed, the IMF's data makes clear that it is still mostly a central bank flow despite all the recent attention granted to sovereign wealth funds.  The central banks of the world's emerging economies accounted for $320 of the world's $340b in (valuation-adjusted) reserve growth in the second quarter, and $283 of the $303b (valuation-adjusted) increase in the first quarter.    Sovereign wealth funds are comparatively small, at least in flow terms.  They receive something like $30b in new inflows every quarter, or about 10% of the recent increase in central bank assets.   Obviously, a big shift in the way China manages its foreign assets could change this.

I estimate that the world's emerging economies -- if those emerging economies that don't report detailed data on the currency composition of their reserves acted like those who do report -- are now adding about $200b to their dollar reserves a quarter.  That is a pace sufficient to finance the entire US current account deficit.   Central banks continue to buy more dollars when the dollar is heading down than when it is going up to keep the dollar's share in the (aggregate) portfolio constant -- and effectively serve as the dollars buyers of last resort in the global financial system. 

Private flows still matter, of course.  But right now private inflows roughly match private outflows, so all the heavy lifting required to finance the US external deficit is being done by the world's central banks.  Their willingness to hold dollars allows the US to finance itself in dollars even when there isn't a lot of global demand for dollar assets.

That was true in late 2003 and early 2004 as well.  Back then, though, Japan accounted for a large share of global reserve growth.  Emerging market central banks have never played as large a role supporting the dollar as they have recently.   Wonky details -- and a few graphs -- follow. 

There isn’t any real evidence of diversification away from the dollar at a global level in the COFER data – at least among those countries that report data to the IMF.   The dollar's share of the reserves of those emerging markets that report data to the IMF actually rose a tiny bit, going from 60.2% in q1 to 60.45% in q2.  The tiny fall in the dollar's overall share came entirely from the fall in the dollar's share of industrial countries' reserves (from 71.7% to 71.45%).  

But broadly speaking, the basic story is that the dollar's share of the reserves of those emerging markets that report hasn't changed much.   It was 60.75% in late 2004 and it is 60.45% at the end of q2 2006. 

The absence of more evidence of diversification in the global data -- and indeed, the absence of a slide in the dollar's share in q2 -- is a bit of a surprise.  Some key countries have diversified.  Russia, for example.  It almost certainly reports data on the currency composition its reserves to the IMF, it added a ton of reserves in q2 and it clearly reduced the dollar share of its reserves significantly in 2006.   The reported valuation gains on India's reserves also suggest that it has a reduced the dollar's share of its reserves, and now has an even lower dollar share than Russia.   I would bet that it also reports data to the IMF.  The absence of any change suggests that a set of countries that retain a very large dollar share in their reserves also increased their reserves significantly, balancing Russia out.   Brazil is the obvious candidate, but there must be others.  

Some countries that I woudl guess do not report data to the IMF -- the UAE for one -- also seem to have helped the dollar out.   The UAE's reserves grew surprisingly fast in q1 2007 (no doubt due to speculation that it might revalue) and  Simon Derrick recently noted that its central bank holds over 95% of its reserves in dollars.  After the US refused to let Dubai Ports World buy a British firm that operated some US ports, it said it would reduce the dollar share of its reserves from 98% to 90%.  We are still waiting.

We are also still waiting for data on how much the UAE's reserves increased in q2.  It may report data on its overall reserve holdings a bit later than the global norm. 

Someone certainly did not report their q1 reserve growth in a timely manner.   The new IMF data revises the q1 total up by $60b.   That is a relief.   I try hard to produce solid estimates for global reserve growth, and the initial IMF data for q1 didn’t track my own measures (which are based on the data reported by a subset of countries with large reserves).   The revised data makes much more sense. 

But anyone who wants to try to estimate just how large a role central banks are playing in the financing of the US deficit has to make a few guesses – after all, about half of the recent increase in the world’s reserves has come from countries that do not report data on the currency composition of their reserves to the IMF.  

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Because I suspect that China and a host of oil-exporting economies that peg to dollar are the main countries that do not report, I assume that the non-reporting countries have a somewhat higher dollar reserve share than the countries that do report.  I would put the dollar share of their reserves a bit above 70% -- so a bit higher than Menzie Chinn.  I also assume that these countries have kept the dollar share of their reserves constant.  I have added the Saudi’s non-reserve foreign assets to the total as well, and adjusted for China’s bank recapitalization and its fx swaps.   The China adjustment isn’t that important right now – the adjustment increased reserve growth in q3 and q4 of 2006 but lowered it in q1 and q2 of 2007.   The net effect is a wash. 

The outcome?  Well, dollar reserve growth was very, very strong.

 

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The same data can be presented in a slightly different way – as a rolling four quarter sum.

 

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And to make everything interesting, I also plotted estimated EM (green in the graph below) and industrial country reserve growth (white in the graph below) against the US current account deficit, all expressed as a share of US GDP.   

 

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The striking thing, at least to me, in the rolling four quarter sum is not the fall in the US deficit but the rise in the share of the deficit financed by emerging market central banks.

Both the fall in the overall deficit and the rise in the share financed by emerging market central banks are more pronounced in the quarterly data. 

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I am reasonably confident that my estimate of the dollar share of the reserves of those countries that do not report isn’t off by more than +/- 10%.   Since they are about ½ the total, the overall margin of error is probably +/- 5%.   That is why I am confident arguing that emerging market central banks have effectively financed the entire US current account deficit over the past couple of quarters.

Why is the US once again so reliant on official inflows?  Chalk up recent reserve growth to the fact the world didn’t slow when the US slowed.   That helped bring the US trade deficit down (particularly the non-oil trade deficit).    But it also dramatically reduced private investors desire to finance the US.    The official sector stepped into the gap  … largely because a host of countries continue to resist market pressure for their currencies to appreciate.

Macro man has argued that central bank sales of dollars for euros and pounds has put a lot of pressure on the euro and pound, and thus contributed significantly to euro and pound strength.    I don’t doubt for a second that central banks have been big buyers of euros and pounds.

The following graph show the euro and pound and yen (though not many yen) purchases that emerging market central banks would have made over the past few quarters if those emerging market central banks that don’t report acted like those central banks that do report, and held the dollar share of their reserves constant. Total non-dollar emerging market reserve growth likely reached record levels in the fist half of the year – and since most central banks intervene in the dollar market, they are major net sellers of dollars and pounds.

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But I would argue that this very visible flow is a bit deceiving, since in the absence of $200b or so of dollar reserve accumulation (and a bit more dollar accumulation from sovereign wealth funds), the dollar would need to be (even) weaker and US rates would need to be higher to generate an equilibrium that private creditors would be willing to finance ….

I should note that the high-frequency US data doesn’t show quite as large official flows as the IMF data on dollar reserve growth (with a couple of key gaps filled in by assumption) implies.   But the high-frequency US data (the TIC data, and the BEA data that is derived from the TIC data) clearly fails to pick up a large share of Chinese, Russian and Gulf inflows.   The annual survey is a bit better, especially for China and Russia.   And when the US BEA data was revised after the last survey around, it – when combined with the BIS data on central bank dollar deposits in the global banking system (adjusted to avoid double counting the deposits in the US data) showed dollar reserve growth that topped my estimate of dollar reserve growth derived from the COFER data.

The pace of emerging market reserve growth does look to have slowed a bit in q3 .. particularly in August.   Capital inflows to the emerging world slowed, or even reversed – taking away one big source of reserve growth.  The one caveat – and it is a big one – is that the data from a lot of oil exporting economies isn’t yet available.   I would bet that reserve growth picked back up in September.

It likely will fall in October.   But only because China will be adding to its investment fund, not its reserves ...  

Comments
Well, it appears that US Dollar hegemony is still alive and well. World trade is a zero-sum game in which the US Federal Reserve prints unlimited dollars and the rest of the world produces things that those dollars can buy. Dollar hegemony is the geopolitically constructed peculiarity that critical commodities, especially the strategic commodity oil, are denominated in US dollars. China, Japan, Europe and everyone else accepts dollars because only dollars can buy oil. The recycling of petro-dollars by the Gulf Arab states is the agreement secretly negotiated by Henry Kissinger that the US has extracted for US tolerance of the OPEC oil-exporting cartel since 1973. It proves my theory that as long as the US Dollar is "de facto" backed by the strategic Gulf Arab Oil reserves under US military protection, other currencies including the Euro are merely derivatives of the dollar. The US military conquest of Iraq was not just for the direct control of the oil by VP Cheney's Halliburton, but for the implicit Iraqi oil reserve backing of Dollar hegemony that permits the United States to spend recklessly well beyond its means. Cheney was absolutely correct in stating that deficits for the US don't matter. Previously negotiated Iraqi energy development contracts with Russia and China have been unilaterally terminated under the direct orders of President Bush.
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-02 08:35:01
Interesting update, Brad. However, I would take issue with the following: But I would argue that this very visible flow is a bit deceiving, since in the absence of $200b or so of dollar reserve accumulation (and a bit more dollar accumulation from sovereign wealth funds), the dollar would need to be (even) weaker and US rates would need to be higher to generate an equilibrium that private creditors would be willing to finance …. I would argue that in the absence of the $200 billion of dollar reserve acccumulation, the US current account deficit wouldn;t be nearly as big as it is, and as such the funding requirements would be smaller. Moreover, in the absence of that accumulation, the dollar would be weaker against those currencies against which it is now strongest from a valuation perspective. As such, the attraction of selling dollars to buy RMB, SAR, RUB, INR, etc would be substantially lower than it is now. True, those dollars could potentially be sold against other currencies....but then again the dollar is already cheap against most non-reserve acccumulators. I do not think that if the dollar were not sold against the BRICs et al, it would necessarily be sold against other things as well.
Reply to this comment By Macro Man on 2007-10-02 09:55:46
High-end Luxury manufacturing shifting from Europe to China http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/01/style/rchina.php "In the beginning I was skeptical," said Rafe Totengco, designer of Rafe New York, a label popular among the Hollywood crowd. "I thought: 'Ugh, cheap labor . . . !' and I had all the perceptions of people who are uneducated about manufacturing in China." A few years ago, hearing what some other high-end brands were doing on the mainland, Totengco began to visit workshops in Guangdong and Shenzhen in southern China. The recipient of several U.S. accessories design awards, he said, "I was blown away." Totengco said he found tidy, Chinese-owned factories with neat, uniformed local workers and some Italian employees. The equipment tended to be cutting edge and the products, he said, were excellent quality with attention to detail. The main advantage, according to Kotur-Marin: "Chinese factories meet their deadlines, unlike Europe." Chinese workers do not have the vacation allowances of European workers so factories, for example, work through August. And one of the under-appreciated qualities of the mainland's manufacturing capacity, she said, is a sophisticated supply chain infrastructure.
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-02 10:38:01
Macroman -- maybe my allusion to an "equilibrium private creditors are willing to finance" was a bit indirect, but it was meant to suggest a smaller current account deficit along with a mix of a lower $ (and thus expectations of appreciation/ a firesale on US assets) and higher rates that would generate more private flows. I think we agree that this equilibrium would include a dollar that is substantially weaker against a host of emerging currencies. The hard issue is what it implies for the pound and euro. I would note though that the US still runs in aggregate a bilateral deficit with europe and one that on a rolling four quarter basis is bigger than in say 99 or 00 (it really gapped out in 02 and 03-- no doubt b/c of the dollar's strength in 00 and 01 and early 02 and the lagged impact of that, plus a faster recovery in the US). that deficit is coming down, but it hasn't yet fallen below its 00 levels. Moreover, to redistribute oil demand away from europe and toward the US, i think you also need a relatively weak dollar. Where I increasingly agree with you is your point that the dollar is now cheap v. Europe, which undercuts the case for further $ weakness v Europe(tho I would still bet on a rather extended period of $ weakness, and thus would take the opposite side of your powerball trade .... I think CBs are looking to sell some of their $ overhang into any return of $ strength). Europe/ Asia and Europe/ Gulf currencies look way out of line v their respective fundamentals, largely b/c asia and the gulf haven't allowed their currencies to appreciate. I would bet that they would appreciate v both the $ and the euro/ pound.
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 10:48:14
Welcome back, Brad! Farewell, Michael! I note that Iran's oil minister announced today that over 85 percent of Iran's oil is now sold in currencies other than the dollar - 65 percent for euro and 20 percent for yen. No doubt, as with Iraq in 2002 when it tried to diversify oil proceeds, this will be considered a further provocation for war and occupation of the Khuzestan oil fields. I rather liked the quote of Mr Khatibi: "Only 15 pct of oil sales are made in dollars and we are progressively replacing this with more credible currencies," he added. The value of the US dollar has fallen some 30-35 pct since 2004, he said, and "keeping capital in dollars means a significant fall in the value of our assets". Forbes: Some 85 pct of Iran's oil sold in currencies other than US dollar - minister
Reply to this comment By London Banker on 2007-10-02 10:49:06
DC: Dollar hegemony is the geopolitically constructed peculiarity that critical commodities, especially the strategic commodity oil, are denominated in US dollars. China, Japan, Europe and everyone else accepts dollars because only dollars can buy oil. Oil is denominated in dollars, but you can buy oil for RMB, Euros, clam shells, gold, whatever. The fact that oil is denominated in dollars is a largely irrelevant fact of accounting. What is relevant is that the United States is the only nation on the planet that has the military ability to keep the Middle East oil field producing and keep the sea lines of communication open and closed. Neither the Europe or China or India or anyone else that really matters to see US military power collapse. The oil fields of Iraq are irrelevant now. The situation in Iraq is much too unstable to produce oil. Also, I don't believe in the idea that the Iraq War was a plot by US oil companies to control Iraqi fields, not so much because I think that oil companies are run by nice altruistic people. Quite the reverse.... Oil companies are run by greedy but reasonably intelligent bastards, and there are much easier and cheaper ways of gaining control over oil fields than to fight a war over it. Bribery is almost always cheaper than bullets, and in Iraq, there is no one to bribe now.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 10:59:26
The fact that only a small fraction of Iranian purchases are made in dollars because the US still has an oil embargo against Iran. US companies manage to do business with Iran through European subsidiaries, but that adds greatly to the cost of doing business, and US oil companies really want to have the embargo lifted as does the government of Iran. All the stuff by Iran about its nuclear program is just a not-so-subtle form of negotiation. The problem is that you run into the neo-conservatives that don't want Iran to expand its power in the Middle East. They believe that any compromise with Iran would be another Munich and appease evil nasty dictators. The fact that they were responsible for helping Iran amass so much power is an ironic detail.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 11:09:08
2fish -- my perception is that China considers US control over the strategic lines of communication that carry Gulf oil to China to be something of a problem. It gives the uS the capacity for example to enforce a naval embargo that would cut off a significant source of China's energy. Hence China's interest in central asian oil/ an overland pipeline and the like. Any reactions other than macroman's to the data in post above? Are others as stunned as I am by the extent of central bank financing over the past few quarters? Any takes on what it all means? Is it sustainable?
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 11:39:09
Brad, sorry to hijack the thread with the Iran story. As for the central bank inflows, I had wondered whether there was some behind the scenes coordination with allies to support buying of Treasuries as private appetite waned. It seems like Britain has been buying more than I would expect, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that other pro-war allies had fallen into line with outsize purchases too. The Japanese may well feel forced to keep buying Treasuries to support the dollar against a yen appreciation, especially as the collapse of the carry trade is a serious threat to global stability and a still fragile and exposed Japanese banking sector. Naturally the Saudis and the UAE will support the US with Treasury inflows when required to do so for political reasons, and have benefitted hugely from a lack of Treasury OFAC scrutiny of their banking sectors as an informal quid pro quo. I don't have hard data, but these are my impressions. Increasingly it seems to me that all markets are operating price discovery on the basis of official intervention rather than supply and demand. Gold is rigged. Oil is rigged. Equities are rigged. Why shouldn't currencies be rigged too? As long as the cronies know which way the official sector wants the result, they will play the game with the assurance of certain profitability. It might even work for quite a while . . .
Reply to this comment By London Banker on 2007-10-02 12:05:09
Twofish, The Cheney-Bush's wars are fundamentally about global American hegemony, but US Dollar hegemony is backed financially by the US military protection racket of Gulf Arab oil reserves. The oil fields of Iraq are irrelevant now only because the administration's execution of the war has been incompetent. The oil companies did not write the neoconservatives' "Project for a New American Century," which calls for US/Israeli hegemony over the entire Middle East and the eventual overthrow of the Chinese government with Taiwan's formal independence guaranteed by US military firepower. The Chinese leadership was certainly aware of the foreign policy neo-cons that surround VP Dick Cheney's office that openly advocated squeezing Chinese oil supply lines from the Middle East.
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-02 12:09:33
L.B., UK Treasury purchases almost certainly reflect an element of Asian CB Treasury buying via intermediaries in the City. Brad, while it's true that the US continues to run a trade deficit with Europe, it's also the case that that deficit has improved on the margin, suggesting that at least some Europeans' uber-competitive currency hedges have finally rolled off. My point is that I just don't think that it's a safe assumption that the capital which currently flows into BRICs (out of dollars, by market necessity) would necessarily be invested in Europe if BRIC investment were no longer attractive. Imagine I make an investment into BRICs, selling $100 and buying BRL, RUB, INR, and CNY. Through the magic of currency reserve accumulation, the sundry CBs take the other side and buy that $100. With that $100, they then sell $35 and buy €. My point is that if I chose not to invest in BRICs, unless I put $35 or more in Europe, European currencies would be weaker than they are now. Given current levels of EUR/USD, and how much of the capital flow is FDI, I think that's a reasonable assumption. And even on portfolio flows...lots of the investment into BRICs represent short selling of USD simply due to market convention. Man of those dollars wouldn;t necessarily be sold short in the absence of the BRIC investment.
Reply to this comment By Macro Man on 2007-10-02 12:29:20
Banker - -currencies are the most rigged of all, at least right now. RMB/ $, SAR/ $? Both are being held at their current value in the face of massive market pressure (both from each country's current account and significant capital inflows) from them to rise. The resulting accumulation of reserve and other assets end up having enormous consequences for a broad range of markets. I though don't think the UK is really buying any US assets to prop up their political allies (whether UK pension funds or the UK gov). If past patterns hold, the Treasuries and Agencies being bought through the UK will be reallocated to China, Russia and the Gulf when the data is revised to reflect the survey data. London is the new central bank trading up ... And i am a bit less convinced of the Treasuries for protection or the Treasuries for the ability to buy US money managers/ banks story. No one relies more on the US for protection than kuwait -- they are in a more vulnerable position (historically) than the UAE, whose big neighbour (the saudis) has enough oil of its own ... and the kuwaitis rather clearly have diversified the KIA's portfolio over the past five years. Indeed, the Gulfies seem to have diversified more than China, even tho the GCC relies on the US for protection and China doesn't. There is more to the story, at least in my view.
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 12:31:45
bsetser: my perception is that China considers US control over the strategic lines of communication that carry Gulf oil to China to be something of a problem. Yes it is a problem, and part of the solution is to fund the US military with Chinese money. It makes a lot more sense for China to finance the US military than it does for China to finance its own, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that China funding the US military gets the US to like China whereas getting China to fund the Chinese military leads to a cold war competition which China would likely lose. It's interesting to compare the differences between China's strategy with respect to the United States with the disastrous strategies that Germany tried with respect to Britain in the late 19th and Japan tried with respect to the United States in the early 20th. When Hu Jintao talks about a harmonious world, he means it because China does not want the US to be an obstacle to China achieving great power status. There really are not many people in the US who would object to China becoming a great power. There are *lots* of people who would object to the US losing great power status, and that means that China really wants to stay on the good side of the United States. A lot of capital flows don't make sense if you don't look at the military aspects of this. If you look at the military aspects then things do make sense. There is a weird sort of blindness in which when Western economists talk about the weakening dollar, and they don't talk about the large tax cuts with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's particularly odd when you look at things from the point of view of Chinese statecraft. Any Chinese book written in the last 2000 years will point out that economics, military strategy, diplomacy, ethics, and politics simply cannot be separated. At this point it would be disastrous for China if US military and economic power were to collapse, which is why you have such large checks being written to keep that from happening.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 12:39:44
Brad, I do appreciate your excellent coverage of the reserves accumulation, I think we are witnessing a long term trend of reserve diversification. I outlined key reason for this trend in my paper, links are below: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=985071 or at my blog www.rybinski.eu I argue that the main reason for reserve diversification across currencies and instruments is not the accounting cost of holding reserves (asset yield less than the cost of liabilities). The main cost is OCHAR (opportunity cost of holding ample reserves) which is defined as forgone GDP growth amid too conservative reserve management. It has been estimated for more that 30 countries and in the last few years stands at few percentage points of forgone growth for some countries. Furthermore, I draw your attention to the following: - optimal reserves composition depend heavily on base currency, it differs a lot whether you use USD as base currency (heavy dollar share) or another currency. minimum variance portfolio tends to give heavy load to base currency (or those highly correlated). I think that central banks will gradually rethink their base currency choice (for optimization exercises) and will move away from minimum variance portfolios to higher risk appetite portfolios. - Emerging markets SWFs and CBs will have to become more transparent (to avoid rising capital account protectionism), which will put more pressure on delivering higher return given ample level of reserves in many countries. Krzysztof Rybinski Deputy Governor National Bank of Poland
Reply to this comment By Rybinski on 2007-10-02 12:40:13
Rybinski -- thanks. I guess I can infer that Poland diversified its reserves under your watch? I would be curious about the evidence you would point to indicating that the process of diversification has started. I agree with your arguments for why it should happen -- particularly since more countries are looking at their reserves in domestic currency terms in part because they have a lot of domestic currencies liabilities. but the available evidence suggests a lot more diversification away from treasuries (meaning the treasury share of global reserves has fallen) than a diversification out of the $ -- tho that in part reflects that treasury issuance has been small v global reserve growth. I haven't found any evidence of diversification out of the $ at an aggregate level (yet), and trust me, I have tried. I have found far better evidence that a couple of SWFs (notably KIA) have reduced the $ share of their portfolio. Norway never had a large $ share, but it is cutting it as well. QIA seems less than keen to build up a big dollar share. but a lot of central banks likely have had trouble limiting their $ accumulation during a period when the $ is sliding. their prime goal is managing their own exchange rate; the $ accumulation is a consequence of that. looking forward tho, i would expect that a lot of central banks are looking to lighten up on $ and thus to sell into any future $ strength.
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 13:07:16
Twofish, The Chinese have no ambitions to be the Global Supercop like the US military, but it is really a stretch of the imagination to believe that the China PBoC's ulterior motive is the funding of the US military. It is certainly not in China's national economic interest to have the US Economy collapse, but neither is it in China's national security interest to send the US Treasury a monthly check to station B-2 Stealth Bombers and Los Angeles Class Nuclear Attack submarines in Guam for continued patrols of the South China Sea and the Taiwan straits. At the World Economic Forum held in Dalian last month, a Deputy Chinese Foreign Minister summarized the nation's foreign policy agenda in a rebuttal to Thomas Friedman's comments that the Chinese are "freeloaders" on the global economy and especially the United States. Sha Zukang of the Chinese Foreign Ministry essentially told Friedman to take a hike. Stated Sha Zukang, "China believes that countries should not assume world leadership but be elected to it. Beijing, he noted, treats all others as “equals.” China, therefore, is not going to lend a hand to the United States—or any other nation—to solve their internal problems."
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-02 13:47:31
re: large checks being written to maintain US hegemony "...Since the end of the Cold War, the United States has abandoned the principles of building up a defense force for the purposes of addressing the security tasks immediately at hand, and instead has embarked on a policy of maintaining military capabilities far in excess of those of any would-be adversary or combination of adversaries. Von Clausewitz once said, "War is diplomacy by other means." Under recent U.S. administrations, however, war has become an extension, not of diplomacy, but of energy policy. "While the Pentagon readily acknowledges it can do little to promote trade or enhance financial stability, it increasingly asserts that it can play a key role in protecting resource supplies. Resources are tangible assets that can be exposed to risk by political turmoil and conflict abroad—and so, it is increasingly argued, they require physical protection, which in turn is used to justify the extraordinary sums now lavished on the Pentagon. "To add to the problem, we are on the verge of a collision between rising energy demand and depleting energy output from the developed to developing world, with the higher attendant political risk that accompanies this move. But America is paying little heed as to how it acquires this energy; it too embraces a from of renegade economics and is in part able to do so because Bretton Woods II provides nothing in the way of an external constraint of its debt-bingeing financing requirements. Quite the contrary: it subsidizes it..." http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Viewpoints/2007/Renegade+Economics+-+Executive+Summary.htm
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 13:48:27
African scramble Like brides told too often that they are ugly, African countries are flattered by their new suitor – but they should beware China’s advances. Look to China for root causes of the crisis This crisis has not fundamentally been about equity market valuations. The proximate cause of this crisis has been difficulties in the US sub-prime mortgage market. But although the story started there it didn't have to.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 13:53:39
Thomas Friedman gets the middle finger in the Middle Kingdom http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2007/09/thomas-friedman.html Friedman accused China of being a "free loader" in the post-cold war world, while the U.S. has shouldered the role of global "guardian." Friedman also argued that it's in China's interest to work more directly with the U.S. on geopolitical issues because if the U.S. fails, then China will have to pick up the pieces. "If there is too little American power China will be forced to respond to that," he said. Sha rejected the whole idea of "soft power," calling it a "condescending approach" and "notion created by Western developed countries." When it comes to world leadership, he said the world's leaders should not be "self-proclaimed" - he said they should be elected. China, he said, would not self-proclaim itself a world leader, because China's policy is always to treat other countries as "equals." On Sudan he said: "There is the impression that China is there for oil only - that is the biggest lie I’ve ever heard." A couple years ago a Chinese academic who advises the Chinese government on foreign policy issues told me that the best way for China to build global power, good will, and international credibility over the long run is to mind its own business, avoid criticizing the U.S. whenever possible, sit back and let the U.S. destroy its own power and credibility by itself. Whether or not that actually is the official strategy, it seems to be working. If I was in the Chinese leadership, I would likely not find it in China's interest to follow Friedman's suggestions - which are quite similar to the Bush administration's.
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-02 13:56:22
One could argyue that the $ double down reflects an intrinsic belief that the dollar is undervalued. A strech for sure. A reflation/reversion of the dollar would have a turbocharged impact for the Sovereigns. Aside from the pure reserve lift, they get a $ asset tailwind to boot. I suppose any dollar rally would likely have a rate hike stapled to it so the bond holdings get a haircut. To wit, sovereigns ought to buy assets, frankly anything not nailed to the ground. if there were a vix equivalent for global system risk, I'd be tripple levered long...
Reply to this comment By Anonymous on 2007-10-02 14:18:25
LondonBanker, "Increasingly it seems to me that all markets are operating price discovery on the basis of official intervention rather than supply and demand." While it's clear what you mean, I still think it's important to get one's terms straight. "Official intervention" in the sense you intend is not at all inconsistent with supply and demand. There is no economic distinction between sovereign and nonsovereign actors - both act in the same free markets. That the former tend to have complex political and institutional motives, whereas the latter tend to be simply profit-oriented, is interesting and helpful to one's understanding. But it in no way violates the laws of economics. Compare, for example, to administrative pricing - a la the US in 1971, or China now - which is a completely different sort of "official intervention," and which fails every time. No one has been crazy enough to try administrative pricing in financial markets for some time now. Hopefully this trend will continue. You write: "Gold is rigged. Oil is rigged. Equities are rigged. Why shouldn't currencies be rigged too?" While as a Misesian I am not a fan of official intervention, and I don't think sovereign participation in financial markets is healthy, the word "rigged" generalizes across significant differences here. The way central banks "rig" currency markets is really no different from the way they "rig" the gold market. A CB running a fiat standard is logically equivalent to a CB running a gold standard - if it was sitting on an infinite gold mine. The CB supplies the currency, whether metallic or artificial, in exchange for other goods, in a politically motivated effort to decrease the exchange rate between its currency and said other goods. Professor Bernanke is right: with an infinite supply of official paper, a CB can reduce the price of its currency, against any other good it likes, to any level it wants. Moreover, even when it does not so act, its presence in the market and its known political predilections affect financial prices. For example, John Hussman is wrong when he notes the small size of Fed actions compared to the financial markets, and wonders how the former can affect the latter. This is like saying that if you manage to rob a bank without firing a shot, you are not a bank robber. The reason the teller shoveled all that cash at you is not that you shot her, but that you could have shot her. Similarly, if the Fed's "dollar mine" dried up tomorrow, the US would find it rather difficult to price umpteen trillion of debt at par when only $850 billion dollars physically exist on the planet! Thus, the Fed can trigger either infinite hyperinflation or (politically) implausible hyperdeflation. They have the levers and those levers work. Rational actors will play along with the orchestra. (The reason we have financial instability is not that the Fed is powerless, but that there is no magic "zero" point on its levers at which, as per Progressive Era inflationist doxology, the Fed is simply "providing an elastic currency" which "expands naturally to meet demand." All of its control decisions benefit some and harm others. Furthermore, they must be unpredictable, because any truly fixed policy will be front-run.) The only difference between gold and fiat is that CBs cannot set the gold price (the exchange rate of gold to fiat) as low as they like, because they do not have an infinite supply of gold. Since the failure of the London Gold Pool they have given up on naive pegging, and appear to be managing gold markets in an intelligent way which maximizes the impact of bullion sales on price, conserving their gold stock and preserving its lifespan. The CBGA regime, with its bounded gold sales, is the culmination of this trend, which is in no way inconsistent with the historical mission of central banking in the English tradition. Since MZM first exceeded physical gold on hand, CBs have been "rigging" the gold market. Argue with this if you wish - Austrians do - but be aware that you're criticizing 300+ years of banking history. Oil is different because CBs do not participate in the oil market. Other official actors do (OPEC), but OPEC's motivations these days are probably more profit-oriented than political, and in any case are of dubious efficacy. To the extent that CBs affect the equity markets, they are not (except in extreme cases of crony capitalism) affecting the relative prices of equities. The Fed has nothing to do with the price ratio of GE to Microsoft. Rather, they are creating "beta" by decreasing the exchange rate of their currencies relative to all other goods, including gold, oil, equities, etc. One of the great discoveries of the modern financial world is that with a little leverage, "beta" becomes "alpha." :-) I would love to see a financial market with no official intervention at all. For example, I would love a constitutional amendment which enforced separation of banking and state, prohibiting the US government from guaranteeing, accepting or endorsing private financial instruments. But no such market exists on Earth, nor has it in the modern era. And when you wish, even wistfully and implicitly, for a transition to one, you are asking a lot.
Reply to this comment By moldbug on 2007-10-02 14:20:21
As dollar reserves mount beyond all reason one is driven to ask two questions (among others): Do these immense hoards of dollar give the hoarders eventual geo-strategic control over the US? Or Are they now so entrapped in the system that they simply can never get out without collapsing their economies? Or in more prosaic terms using a bank analogy: Does the bank or banks have the US by the balls, or is the US so big a debtor it in effect controls the banks?
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 14:24:18
ironic that the dollar hegemony is reinforced with every incrmeental dollar reserve. Who cares if iran sells oil in Euro or yen or sheckels..isn"t that what exchange rates are for?
Reply to this comment By Anonymous on 2007-10-02 14:26:00
anonymous -- isn't RGE stock a reasonable proxy for a levered long bet on global systemic risk (I am only 1/2 kidding ... ), alas, it doesn't trade and it isn't a pure play either ... you are right though about central bank's bets on the $ effectively represented a view that the $ is undervalued v the euro, so better to buy it now (tho those who made this bet in say 2003 haven't been rewarded). the problem i have with the argument is that the average em central bank buying dollars and euros (but more dollars than euros) is also making a bet that both the euro and the $ are undervalued relative to EM currencies, so selling EM debt to buy euros and $ makes long-term sense. That -- far more than a dollar/ euro bet -- is what will I think will generate the losses for the EM central banks.
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 14:30:30
http://thebosun.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/the-new-jihad-battle-is-economic-rather-than-military/ The New Jihad - Battle is economic rather than military Is this what the Neocons are planning. Blame the muslims / Arabs for the coming crash of US economy. Another Neocon media trying to paint the falling Economy / dollar with muslim blood.
Reply to this comment By Epundit on 2007-10-02 14:30:40
DC: The Chinese have no ambitions to be the Global Supercop like the US military Neither the ambition nor the ability. But someone has to be Global Supercop to keep the oil running. If not the US, then who? The Europeans aren't interested. That leaves Russia, India, and Japan. DC: it is really a stretch of the imagination to believe that the China PBoC's ulterior motive is the funding of the US military. When why does China do it? China spends more money on the US military than on the Chinese military. DC: but neither is it in China's national security interest to send the US Treasury a monthly check to station B-2 Stealth Bombers and Los Angeles Class Nuclear Attack submarines in Guam for continued patrols of the South China Sea and the Taiwan straits. Yes it is, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. The only likely flash point that the US and the PRC are willing to go to war over is Taiwan. Deals and understanding have been made regarding this issue in which the US is actively restraining Taiwan from declaring independence. Beijing can't scream at Taiwan without there being a backlash. The United States can, and the United States has used its influence over the past few years to make it very clear that the US does not want to see Taiwan push the envelope via independence. What the US has gotten in return are assurances that Beijing has no plans to invade Taiwan tomorrow. Also, US presence in East Asia, keeps other East Asian powers on a leash. If the US were to suddenly leave East Asia, then you'd see Japan, India, and possibly Russia rearming, and that would leave China's strategic position much, much worse than it is. Instead of one flash point in Taiwan, there would be five or six. By sending the US a monthly check, China has some control over US spending priorities. If the US were to hint about recognizing Taiwan or to actively consider adding two new carrier battle groups, bye, bye monthly check.......
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 14:56:15
Re: "Do these immense hoards of dollar give the hoarders eventual geo-strategic control over the US? Or Are they now so entrapped in the system that they simply can never get out without collapsing their economies?" The answer I gave in my lecture at Cambridge was a bit of both. They have the ability to exercise leverage over the us -- since the US needs their continued subsidy to be able to sustain its current policy course. But exercising that leverage would require hurting those interests in their economies that have driven policy to date (notably the export sector). However, i would also note that the risk to the uS comes from the fact that ending the financial subsidy to the US (i.e. not buying as many $) helps the US creditors financially (tho they have to take a hit, they are better off taking the hit today not a bigger hit tomorrow), which implies that the scenario where some of the united states current creditors exercise a bit of leverage aren't totally far-fetched. Not everyone in the emerging world benefits from using the central bank's balance sheet to subsidize the US. I also suspect that the protection of the financial interests of the United States current creditors will imply that they will want to exercise a bit more leverage over US policy over time -- the Latin countries had leverage over the big US and European banks for a time, since without interest payments, they would have been obviously bust. and since the us government (like other governments) backs its banks, the latin countries had leverage over the US. but that didn't prevent the US (both the banks and the government) from trying to shape Latin economic policy ... I certainly wouldn't expect America's creditors to always supply a credit line of the current size -- or even to roll over their existing exposure -- unconditionally for ever, or to roll it over on current terms forever. but so far, there is no evidence that the terms are changing -- all available data just suggests that the size of the credit line is getting bigger. so I am still waiting.
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 15:01:58
DC: The Bush-Cheney wars are the result of Neocon/Israeli control of US Middle East policy intersecting with leftover cold war militarism. The main driving force behind US imperialism is Israel whose end would be in sight if the US stopped running the world. Hence the Neocons want the US to remain the sole superpower in control of the world. This puts us in conflict with Islam, obviously, and less immediately with China (and Russia) both of whom would like to see us out of Asia. Things have not come to a head yet but the longer the US aims to be the sole superpower the more tensions will increase. If US bungling in the Middle East were to shut off the flow of Gulf oil, things might come to a head sooner. Or rising demands on the budget by retiring baby boomers might force a guns vs. butter conflict that would spell the end of US empire.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 15:03:51
DC: China, therefore, is not going to lend a hand to the United States—or any other nation—to solve their internal problems. Yes it will when it is in the Chinese national interest to do so. In the last few days, the Democratic Progressive Party has watered down its "normal nation" resolution and the hard-line chairman has just resigned. This was at the end of a very delicate game in which US pressure was essential. The United States will not allow Beijing to invade or military coerce Taiwan, but it will use its power to maintain the status quo and buy time, and time is on Beijing side. That's clearly worth several hundred billion a year in loans.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 15:05:21
To Guest: This puts us in conflict with Islam, obviously, and less immediately with China (and Russia) both of whom would like to see us out of Asia. China does not want to see the US out of Asia. If the US leaves Asia then within a year Japan will have nukes, and within three to five years, Taiwan and South Korea will also have them. Also, it's not obvious that support for Israel does put the US in conflict with Islam. Nations have neither friends nor enemies but interests, and there have been some very interesting coalitions in the past.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 15:11:18
The key point here is to notice that emerging countries are financing more than 100% of US CAD. I also find it amazing. I was thinking on that possibility of a Wile E. Coyote moment for the dollar. After eading this post it seems obvious to me that such event would depend absolutely on emerging countries central banks reducing drastically their dollar reserve share. Is it a real possibility?
Reply to this comment By IM on 2007-10-02 15:13:05
Brad asks, " Are others as stunned as I am by the extent of central bank financing over the past few quarters? Any takes on what it all means? Is it sustainable?" First, thanks for a great bit of detective work on the status of reserves. I think you need to look at the political context, Brad. Most developed/rapidly developing countries have concerns about Islamic insurgency/terrorism. Russia in Chechnya, India in Kashmir, Europe with their large immigrant populations. For now, the US has cast this as a military (and religious) confrontation, which it really isn't, rather than a political/economic confrontation. As long as world governments accept the paradigm that the US is in some way reducing threats to them (if only by serving as the lightning rod), they are willing to fund the CA deficit. But at some point, this paradigm is going to change and, with it, world leadership. At that point, the dollar will look really bad as a reserve currency. The discipline used to be called political economy, rather than economics. It lost a lot when it stopped looking at political events as the moon that draws the financial tides. _______________ Twofish, China's perception of threat is much more immediate than control of oil. The US has been trying to establish and to some extent has succeeded in establishing bases in Central Asia as part of the so-called Great Game. It's analogous to how we would feel if Al Qaida seized (and were able to resupply forces in) the state of Colorado.
Reply to this comment By Anonymous ibid. on 2007-10-02 15:14:24
Twofish: "But someone has to be Global Supercop to keep the oil running. If not the US, then who? The Europeans aren't interested. That leaves Russia, India, and Japan. " I don't see this at all. The Gulf nations and OPEC have to sell oil to live; they have few other sources of income. The idea that they will simply sit on their oil to spite us if we can't destroy them seems very silly to me. The reason the US is in the Middle East is to protect and foment its Israeli colony (Israel is the last gasp of Western and US colonialism), not to "protect" the oil supply. The despotic regimes there also like us to help them suppress their people, but even if democracy broke out and the despots were dethroned, those nations would still have to sell their oil to the world.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 15:14:54
The idea that Muslim "terrorism" is the same everywhere and a danger to the world is, in my view, nonsense. Everywhere it exists it is basically nationalistic: war (by "terror") to drive out foreigners who have no business being in Muslim regions or controlling them. If the US got out of the Muslim nations it now tried to dominate by military and other means, it would have no problem with "terrorism." And if Russia gave Chechnya its full autonomy it would have no "terror" problem either. In virtually all cases dreaded "Islamic terrorism" is simply Muslim nationalism directed at getting foreigners OUT.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 15:19:47
The Islamist link was interesting, and it's been clear that this has been bin-Laden's strategy all along. To get the US into a war with Islam and to bankrupt the United States in fighting. The thing about this strategy is that if bin-Laden succeeds to having the US fight Islam, then this strategy will work. In a war between the United States and Islam, the United States will lose. So it is imperative that the United States not fight this war. The war must be the United States, Europe, China, Russia, India, Iran, and the Arab world against bin-Laden. The big danger is that the United States and China will fight each other over something stupid and both will be bankrupted, leading bin-Laden to win. This is a Jihad, except I think and hope that bin-Laden is wrong about whose side Allah is on.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 15:20:31
Anonymous: The US has been trying to establish and to some extent has succeeded in establishing bases in Central Asia That's largely fallen apart. The US has enough basis to keep supply of Afghanistan, but nothing more. Anonymous: I don't see this at all. The Gulf nations and OPEC have to sell oil to live; they have few other sources of income. They have to sell oil if they want to be part of a globalist consumerist culture. There are some people in the world that want to make that option impossible. It's very easy to destroy supply oil lines. It's a very long distance between the Persian Gulf and Hong Kong, and nature abhors a power vacuum.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 15:34:54
The US has been bankrupted long back by corupt politcians and institutions. Its a shame that people still believe these corrupt leaders who have no proof of what they talk but only more blood and bombs. They have destroyed other nations and taken millions of lives for greed and wealth. No nation can tolerate occupation. Imagine chinese or Islamic army staging fake attacks, blaming on US and occupying US cities and taking control of its treasures. Its time to respect other humans before the truth knocks you down
Reply to this comment By Epundit on 2007-10-02 15:45:26
Twofish: please be sensible. Of course Israel and our support of it puts us in conflict with the Muslim world. Our support of Israel is the main reason the Muslim masses give for their hating the USA. Islamic "terrorism" is simply the expression of Islamic nationalism struggling to realize itself, as American colonials fought to create the United States in the late 18th century and Vietnamese in the 20th fought to drive American colonialists out. To say Muslim countries must fight against Muslim nationalism is nonsense. Of course, Muslim despots might wish to fight against Muslim nationalism since it would probably unseat them. So we should be in the business of supporting despots who torture their people for our selfish benefit? Why should nations with oil not want to become part of consumer society? To do so they need to sell it and they will. After all, Twofish, it is the US that spreads consumer society around the world; and even Muslim masses are for it. (The Taliban is perhaps the exception, but they control no oil).
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 15:48:58
I apologize for turning the comments section into a discussion of geopolitics, but one more nonsensical statement by Twofish deserves refutation and then I will stop. He says China does not want the US out of Asia. Then why, pray tell, is China building up such a vast military establishment? The US is the only opponent that would justify such expenditures. And he says if the US got out Japan would get nukes. Well Japan has the use of US nukes now, if it is attacked. Having them itself would hardly worry China since Japan would have to be crazy to use them to attack China. Of course China would like to see the back of the US; that would free it up to reunite with Taiwan, since the US defense of that part of China is a constant thorn in the Chinese side.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 16:07:44
Long lists of links are generally not appreciated in the comments section. This is an economics and geopolitics blog, so the way politics influences the United States ability to sustain the inflows it needs is a very fair topic. at the same time, nothing turns a blog discussion into a shouting match faster than a general discussion of middle eastern politics. I trust you all will respect the need to keep the discussion focused on how politics will shape global demand for dollars. IM: "After eading this post it seems obvious to me that such event would depend absolutely on emerging countries central banks reducing drastically their dollar reserve share. Is it a real possibility?" A Wile E Coyote moment only requires that EMs not increase their dollar demand when private demand for $ (net private demand -- a fall could either come from a fall in inflows or an increase in outflows). It every just stopped adding to their reserves and the share didn't change, the $ would tank. The key to recent stability has been the willingness of CBs to both add to their reserves AND to hold the $ share constant, which implies rapid growth in their $ holdings. you need both conditions to hold to keep the system stable.
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 16:12:32
Guest: Our support of Israel is the main reason the Muslim masses give for their hating the USA. But why hate Israel? Jews and Arabs got along fine under the Ottomans. My reading of the situation is that Israel is a symbol for the lack of control and wealth that Arabs have over their lives. Guest: To say Muslim countries must fight against Muslim nationalism is nonsense. The trouble with your view is that if it is accepted, then bin-Laden wins. If it is the US vs. Islam, Islam will win, so the fight must not be US vs. Islam. Rather it is essential that the battle lines be draw so that it is obvious to everyone that bin-Laden is the apostate infidel. The President of the United States must behave in a way that convinces people that he is a truer Muslim than bin-Laden. There is a lot of (justified) anger in the Middle East, and Islamism feeds on this anger. You can't fight Islam. It's too strong. Rather you have to figure how to align the national interests of the United States with that of the Islamic person on the street. There was a brief moment after 9-11-2001 when this was easy, but Bush botched it. One of the appeals of Islam is that Islamic charities are darn efficient at providing social services. Hezbollah has gotten the support of lots of people in southern Lebanon, because they can deliver. You want people like Hezbollah on the side of the United States rather than on bin-Laden's. Guest: It is the US that spreads consumer society around the world; and even Muslim masses are for it. (The Taliban is perhaps the exception, but they control no oil). But that can change. A lot of the anger in the Middle East seems to be because the US spreads the message of consumerism. People want it, but they can't get it. The thing about bin-Laden's ideology is that he and his successors won't stop until they have taken over the world. If you draw the lines so that he represents Islam, then he will be able to do that. Not next year, but he is thinking in terms of a struggle lasting decades, perhaps centuries. Americans just can't think that long ahead. Chinese and Arabs can. The dangerous people are people who get things half right. There is a lot of wonderful stuff in Islam just like there is a lot of wonderful stuff in the works of Karl Marx. But if you take that wonderful stuff and mutate it a little you get something deadly.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 16:33:43
(I should point out that I read Chinese and not Arabic.) Guest: He says China does not want the US out of Asia. Then why, pray tell, is China building up such a vast military establishment? Taiwan. The only reason that the PRC has a large military is to make sure that it can put up a fight if that is the only path to eventual reunification, and there is no interest in Beijing to fight if a fight can be avoided. There's about a hundred years of history here. But estimates of PRC military spending are in the $40-$90 billion range. Clearly the PRC could spend more, and it's less than the amount of money the PRC buys in US Treasuries. Guest: Well Japan has the use of US nukes now, if it is attacked. Having them itself would hardly worry China since Japan would have to be crazy to use them to attack China. Guess what? Japan has had moments of craziness in the past. The attack on Pearl Harbor was once of the dumbest moves in political strategy. Having power makes you a little crazy. Also China doesn't want Japan to have nukes (or a seat on the Security Council) just because it's Japan, and there is also a hundred years of history here too. Guest: Of course China would like to see the back of the US; that would free it up to reunite with Taiwan, since the US defense of that part of China is a constant thorn in the Chinese side. And if the US leaves, Taiwan will figure it will have nothing to lose, declare independence, in which case Japan enters the picture, and we have a big mess. Also Beijing is not stupid. Suppose Beijing invades and wins. At that point it has occupation duties for 23 million people that absolutely hates them, and a huge political and economic mess to clean up. Beijing is willing to put off the Taiwan issue for another century. Beijing *would like* to put off the Taiwan issue for another 50-100 years. (That's a quote from Mao.) The thing that Beijing does not want to see if to lose Taiwan forever, now. And the military is insurance to make sure that it doesn't happen. Chinese think in terms of centuries, and if it takes another one hundred years to complete the process of national unification, Chinese are willing to wait. It's a mode of thinking that is completely alien to most Americans and Europeans. Since about 2004, the United States has been *extremely* cooperative with respect to Taiwan. It's part of a larger deal involving North Korea, Iran, and a few hundred billion in loans.....
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 16:58:10
The question I have is that if the PRC really wants the US out, then why is it buying Treasuries? One thing that's very useful is the ability to read Chinese, and I wish I could read Arabic. The stuff I'm saying about what China wants is stuff that is on the web, and it's also what I hear people saying. Also attitudes shift. There were some huge changes in the governments attitudes toward the United States around 2001. This was because it was pretty clear that the previous attitudes toward Taiwan weren't working, that the US was not a declining power, and also this coincided with when US-educated Chinese really started getting into policy positions. The other thing with relevance to the Arab World is that China stopped being angry around 2001. Many young people in China have never known a time in which China was poor, beaten, frustrated, and humiliated, and in 2007 there is much less of that anger than there was even in the late-1990's. As far as the relevance to the United States, the only three things that would cause China to stop buying treasuries are 1) if there were a shift in US policy toward Taiwan 2) if the Chinese economic stops being able to absorb liquidity. 3) when people start retiring and breaking open their piggy banks
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-02 17:13:19
that slashdot link mentioned upthread has some pretty interesting contextual comments: this probably wasn't one of islam's brightest moments: "The Incoherence also marked a turning point in Islamic philosophy in its vehement rejections of Aristotle and Plato." http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=315517&cid=20827045 and the torching of baghdad prolly didn't help either; i'm not sure how far ahead the mongols were thinking, however: "The Mongol destruction of Baghdad was a psychological blow from which Islam never recovered. Already Islam was turning inward, becoming more suspicious of conflicts between faith and reason and more conservative. With the sack of Baghdad, the intellectual flowering of Islam was snuffed out." http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=315517&cid=20827551 also i find the idea of an 'islamic reformation' intriguing: "The Renaissance didn't happen in Europe until it became acceptable for king to challenge pope, while in modern times "mullah" and "imam" are treated as synonyms." http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=315517&cid=20827715 re: why hate Israel? "The settlements, the roads connecting them and now the “security barrier” deep inside the West Bank have left the Palestinians unviable reservations of land amounting to 44 per cent of the West Bank, or barely 10 per cent of colonial Palestine. That is not the basis for a historic compromise but a contract for permanent conflict." http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/59e37cbc-1208-11dc-b963-000b5df10621.html
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 17:13:19
re: behind door #2, we have a winner "...The correct monetary policy stance for the US economy may thus not be the right stance for the wider dollar bloc. Arguably, with many countries in the dollar bloc, such as China and other emerging markets, growing more strongly than the US, a fed funds rate of 4%, while neutral for the US, would imply a very expansionary monetary policy there..." http://www.morganstanley.com/views/gef/archive/2007/20070926-Wed.html#anchor5557 Bill Gross concurs, "...globalization and financial innovation have enormously complicated the job of central bankers. Whereas in prior decades a “one size fits all” policy rate move has coincidentally and democratically affected households and corporations alike, the 21st century has ushered in an innovation revolution favoring corporations with global investment opportunities as opposed to individuals with daily bills to pay. The same 4¾% rate is not and cannot be “neutral” for both sides in today’s U.S. economy. Whereas current yields are not restrictive for investment grade corporations with global opportunities, they are far too high for homeowner Jane Doe and two million of her neighbors facing higher and higher monthly payments on adjustable rate mortgages. Should Bernanke put on a brave face and freeze the elevator and rates in mid-descent, he risks exacerbating a housing crisis in the making. Yet, should he favor the homeowner over the corporation, he risks reigniting speculative equity market behavior, and – in addition – a run on the dollar..." http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2007/IO+October+2007.htm and Martin Wolf opines, "...it is going to be an enduring struggle for the Fed to convince those who have put their faith in the dollar that it is safe. This is not some remote danger. In financial markets, the future is now. If holders of the dollar conclude it is no longer a secure store of value they will dump both the currency and assets dependent on its future value. If that were to happen, the Fed would confront  a  dreadful  dilemma – whether or not to cut rates as the dollar plunged and long-term interest rates soared... A political crisis over its independence might also ensue, further undermining its credibility... The Fed’s ability to delight politicians and investors depends on retaining its credibility over inflation. Without that, the Fed will be unable to respond to crises..." while PIMCO's Brynjolfsson comments, "Break-even spreads between the nominal 10-year Treasury note yield and the equivalent TIPS should widen to near 250 basis points by December from about 230 basis points currently... "As long as the Fed wants to maintain credibility, they have to keep below 250 basis points"..." http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2429302420070924
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 17:41:08
re: behind door #2, we have a winner "...The correct monetary policy stance for the US economy may thus not be the right stance for the wider dollar bloc. Arguably, with many countries in the dollar bloc, such as China and other emerging markets, growing more strongly than the US, a fed funds rate of 4%, while neutral for the US, would imply a very expansionary monetary policy there..." http://www.morganstanley.com/views/gef/archive/2007/20070926-Wed.html#anchor5557 Bill Gross concurs "...globalization and financial innovation have enormously complicated the job of central bankers. Whereas in prior decades a “one size fits all” policy rate move has coincidentally and democratically affected households and corporations alike, the 21st century has ushered in an innovation revolution favoring corporations with global investment opportunities as opposed to individuals with daily bills to pay. The same 4¾% rate is not and cannot be “neutral” for both sides in today’s U.S. economy. Whereas current yields are not restrictive for investment grade corporations with global opportunities, they are far too high for homeowner Jane Doe and two million of her neighbors facing higher and higher monthly payments on adjustable rate mortgages. Should Bernanke put on a brave face and freeze the elevator and rates in mid-descent, he risks exacerbating a housing crisis in the making. Yet, should he favor the homeowner over the corporation, he risks reigniting speculative equity market behavior, and – in addition – a run on the dollar..." http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2007/IO+October+2007.htm and Martin Wolf opines "...it is going to be an enduring struggle for the Fed to convince those who have put their faith in the dollar that it is safe. This is not some remote danger. In financial markets, the future is now. If holders of the dollar conclude it is no longer a secure store of value they will dump both the currency and assets dependent on its future value. If that were to happen, the Fed would confront  a  dreadful  dilemma – whether or not to cut rates as the dollar plunged and long-term interest rates soared... A political crisis over its independence might also ensue, further undermining its credibility... The Fed’s ability to delight politicians and investors depends on retaining its credibility over inflation. Without that, the Fed will be unable to respond to crises..." while PIMCO's Brynjolfsson comments "Break-even spreads between the nominal 10-year Treasury note yield and the equivalent TIPS should widen to near 250 basis points by December from about 230 basis points currently... "As long as the Fed wants to maintain credibility, they have to keep below 250 basis points"..." http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2429302420070924
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 17:43:32
sorry for the DP and here's the MW link fwiw http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9c0a6592-6b81-11dc-863b-0000779fd2ac.html
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 17:47:51
What is it going to take to break this intervention cycle? An unforseen geopolitical event? A massive rise in inflation which is already happening? This is central planning at its worst.
Reply to this comment By shrek on 2007-10-02 17:53:29
Twofish, The Chinese buy mostly US dollars and Euros to ensure a stable monetary currency regime primarily to maintain employment and political stability with the hundreds of millions of migrant workers moving into the cities. Taiwan Independence is the line in the sand that will lead into a military conflict. It is really absurd for you to argue that the Chinese PLA would finance the Pentagon's Nuclear weapons aimed at China. The Bush Administration has re-targeted half of the US nuclear force at Chinese targets from Russian targets. Why else would the China PLA be spending billions developing the mobile, intercontinental DF-31 Strategic ballistic missiles, and Type-094 Strategic Ballistic Missile Submarmines.
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-02 19:02:58
Welcome back, Brad; Farewell, Michael; and welcome you all. Congratulations, Brad, for getting this blog boiling in just two days, after Michael nice blogs. Congratulations, again, for your patience with commenters and for answering that this blog goes in economics (and geopolitics)... with some condition like my brackets... Good news! This is a fine blog, as usual, but I have to make some comment after a nice vacation time in an arab country, in Ramadan, for three weeks. 2fish is as cynical as ever, but with two big eggs in front of his brain and lots of ignorance: "But why hate Israel? Jews and Arabs got along fine under the Ottomans. My reading of the situation is that Israel is a symbol for the lack of control and wealth that Arabs have over their lives." This kind of stupid question with a later answer that has nothing to see with the real question and less with reality, remembers me the meetings of Spanish PM Aznar with GWBush. (Not about wealth like 2fish, just power. It depends where you start from, doesn't it 2fish?). If mister 2fish could explain any reasonable fact supporting its last sentence, it would be welcome. But as well as he could be wise in the financial world and economics, he could be (or, better, he is) a donkey or perfect ignorant in arab and jewish worlds. Sorry, brad, I only insult when the provocations are too out of mind! I visited in my vacation the biggest jewish cemetery I've ever seen, in the city of Fez, in Morocco, in the city of the oldest or second oldest university of the world, centuries before that the Ottomans ever appeared in south Europe, and centuries before the british empire made any university. I'd like to say a couple of things to 2fish about languages, religions and empires, using the Ottoman example: In the beginning of the last century the Ottoman empire made a big genocide: they killed about one million armenian people who were christian and had their own language and writing system. Noah's ark landed in Ararat mountain, in armenian land, according to the old testament. The genocide was around 1918. At that time the old Ottoman empire was broken, but its lands went from some parts of Africa to China (yes, China!). But what happened a bit later? Atatürk became emperor of Turkey, and he decided a couple of very important things: He decided that Turkey people should write in european writing (forget arab islamic calligraphic writing and embrace greek's west alphabet). As the new dictator set the rules, turkish people is a liaised society).e obeyed like Chinese, without any complain. And the people in Turkey must obey its government rules, but not islamic religion rules about law (We are a liaised society). But at the same time Soviet revolution was going on, from Turkey to China's lands. What was the result? All turkish countries from europe to China went soviet (Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tayikistan, Kazajstan, Kirguistan, …). Afganistan would have long wars and Pakistan was a special part. But in the China part before Gobi desert from the west, people are uzbeks, tayiks or Kirguis... Not Chinese at all. But even Mao was much clever than Stalin: those turks (the ethnics of Ottoman empire sons) are still able to speak legally turkish in China. And this area is bilingual legally. But the funny thing, is that the turkish etnic was divided in several fronts and writings. To set it clear: before atatürk, they all spoke a turkish variant from africa to china. Then, people in Turkey spoke turkish but wrote in west alphabet. From Turkey to China they went from soviet rules to Chinese rules. So, they spoke russian on the streets, turkish at home, and they wrote Cyrillic on public and arab calligraphy at home, until the soviet collapse. It must be said that Mao let them to be bilingual. Jewish historians will tell you that the knowledge and master pieces from ancient greeks were brought to europe by the translators school of toledo (Spain), and not roman empire. This school was made by lots of scholars of Jewish and arab people, who translated the original works of Ptolomeus or Socrates to spanish and then to other european languages. Under the Arab empire, the Jewish never had an struggle in spain, and they very well respected in the islam world, untii the Israel state. It seems that one only law written by UN has been fulfilled: the nation of Israel. Nobody minds if human rights were written in Zimbabwe or anything else. That was the end of UN. It seems that you don't watch to TV or you are out of mind referring to Israel. I only will tell you that the first prime ministers there, were all terrorist (or ex-terrorist) in the actual sense. Israel is very well armed country who occupies foreign lands and destroys houses out of their land, and then they say that the area belongs to them. Mr. Clinton said in a very important dinner (answering a question by a prince), that the conversations in Camp David were not to bring a good fruit because the Israel prime minister (the nobel prize Shimon Peres) of the time “thought that the arabs were not human beings”. (Robert Fisk tells that info in his book “The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East". It's clear the reason that most people in developed countries hated Israel. And Ottoman empire went off before the Israel construct. Don't miss them please or explain us economics in 1920 Chinese theories of it. We all know that Chinese knew everything before the west did. Two questions to finish: 1.- (By B. Bretch) The night that the Big Wall was finished where went the stonecutters? 2.- The Ottoman empire (and the turks as a hole) is the only civilization that dominated other people's lands, but never asked to occupied territories to speak their language. Any thought from that for your next cynical post? Best regards, koteli
Reply to this comment By koteli on 2007-10-02 21:34:50
koteli -- as much as I appreciate your participation in the comments section, your last comment went precisely where I didn't want to go -- I would encourage subsequent comments to focus on global reserves accumulation today .. and the geopolitical context in which that accumulation occurs. I think it is completely reasonable to note that some Arab countries in the Gulf that disagree with US policy toward Israel are now accumulating a lot of dollar assets, though it isn't quite clear what would provoke them to change going forward if they haven't changed yet .... It is also very topical to debate whether china's continued financing of the US indicateds de facto chinese support of US policy in the Middle East/ Chinese support for a US military presence in a region that increasingly supplies chinese oil (or conversely, whether that is just a by product of a policy adopted for other reasons, hence cHina's efforts both to secure oil supplies free of American control and its ongoing financing of the US military presence in the middle east) But i would rather steer clear of a debate on Israel/ Palestine and Turkey/ Armenia and other well-known hot button topics. They are important topics no doubt. But they are also not topics that are usefully debated on a wonky finance and economics blog. Thanks!
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-02 22:40:39
First I can only say that Twofish is so off target and often wrong in his statements that I think there is no point in trying to refute most of his assertions. With regard to Brad's question as to whether China is financing US policy in the Middle East, I would suggest that China has no clear interest in US support of Israel or its war on Islamic nationalism. However it does have good reason to finance the US purchase of its goods and does so. That so much of this money is squandered by the US on a war in the Middle East is something it cannot control and simply has to accept unless it wants to disrupt the whole system. Its lack of sympathy with the US Middle East policy is evident however, from its failure to go along with sanctions on Iran and its failure, unlike Japan, to send troops to help the US in Iraq.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-02 23:56:05
bsetser: The following 3 posts with multi-link(s) with no on-topic comments should definitely be removed -- your repeated warnings in the past has not worked and one could easily take this as giving too much leeway, being partial and showing favortism to your regular Guest commentator. Written by Guest on 2007-10-02 15:37:34 Written by Guest on 2007-10-02 17:13:19 Written by Guest on 2007-10-02 17:43:32 Welcome Back and Cheers!
Reply to this comment By The Watcher on 2007-10-03 01:00:09
DC: It is really absurd for you to argue that the Chinese PLA would finance the Pentagon's Nuclear weapons aimed at China. That's what they are doing. Most policy decisions have multiple consequences, and it basically boils down to which Beijing fears more. Unemployed peasants or American nukes, and it's pretty obvious that the former is a greater fear. Guest: First I can only say that Twofish is so off target and often wrong in his statements that I think there is no point in trying to refute most of his assertions. A large fraction of what I say is total nonsense. Trouble is that I have no idea which fraction. However, I do have some useful things to add to the conversation, in that I read Chinese and I'm surrounded by Chinese people so I have first hand data on attitudes and thought processes. When I say something about the Middle East or Latin America, I'm dealing with stuff second hand and I'm guessing, but my information on the attitudes and motives for Chinese and for Wall Street is first hand. I worked for Halliburton and saw the company from the inside. I also work for a large Wall Street firm on China related issues and I'm seeing that from the inside too. My analysis could very well be wrong, but I do try to explain why I think what I do precisely so that other people can point out flaws in logic and analysis. On talking about Chinese nationalism and the attitudes of people on Wall Street. Also I am a Chinese nationalist and a person working on Wall Street, so in that case, I can talk directly about what I believe and why I believe it. A lot of my beliefs on the roles of China and the United States are personal beliefs, but I've found them to be quite similar to those that Mainland Chinese educated in the United States as well as what urban educated Chinese I don't know of a single Chinese person who I know personally that has much of a desire to drive the US out of Asia or who hates the United States. Things were different about ten years ago, and things might be different ten years from now, but this is the state of affairs at this point in time. As far as explanations for Chinese actions. The failure of China to go along with US sanctions is not unusual since Chinese policy toward Iran is not that different from French, Russian, or British policy. No one else in the world has the special anger toward Iran that the United States does. The United States is still mad over the 1979 hostage crisis, and that colors US policy toward Iran. The other nation for which the US has a "special hatred" for is Cuba. As far as sending troops overseas, what most Chinese will tell you is that China being the victim of foreign invasion is in no mood to be an aggressor, and the fact that China has no troops based overseas is usually seen as a point of pride. Also China *does* have a clear interest in supporting Israel. Israel is one of China's main arms and military technology suppliers (the J-11 fighter is more or less a copy of the Lavi), and China does not want to see Islamic nationalism spread into its borders. China has a huge Muslim population, and it does not want to see Islamism spill over from Central Asia into Xinjiang (or East Turkestan depending on your politics). One point of cooperation between the US and China is that the East Turkestan Islamic Movement has been listed as terrorist organization by the State Department. One final thing, there is a huge amount of Chinese-American dialogue going on both at very high levels and very low levels, and this helps world peace considerably since American policy makers have I think a pretty good picture of what Beijing thinks and why it thinks it, and the reverse is also true. I don't get the sense that there is nearly the same level of Arab-American dialogue or interaction.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-03 01:34:44
When I talk about the Arab world I'm guessing, but some of my guesses are based on me taking personal experiences and extrapolating them. The thing I see in common between China and the Arab world have in common is the experience of great and majestic civilizations being humilated by the West, and it is difficult to understate the amount of anger and resentment this causes. In the minds of a lot of Chinese, Taiwan and Hong Kong occupies the same psychological space that perhaps Israel does in the Arab imagination (i.e. national territory which has been occupied by a foreign power). (Again, I need to point out here that I'm familar with Chinese attitudes, I'm guessing about Arab ones.) What is different right now is that China is much less angry than it was even a decade ago because the "age of humiliation" has ended. Hong Kong has been recovered, and in the case of Taiwan, the US has made it clear that it isn't standing in the way of national unification. What is standing in the way is the attitudes of people living on Taiwan, and Beijing is trying to change that. Without the issue of Taiwan in the way, there is basically nothing over which China and the United States would be willing to go to war over, and absolutely no reason why the China would object to US maintaining world dominance. From China's point of view (and this could change), as long as the "homeland" is safe and secure, what happens in the rest of the world is not of much concern to it.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-03 02:17:15
Of course the USA is standing in the way of the unification of Taiwan with China. It supplies vast amounts of military equipment to Taiwan to use to prevent unification. That is a quite absurd claim. China is not interested in world domination, at least not yet, but it would certainly like to dominate Asia and it will. China has no need for Israel. It could get what it wants elsewhere or make it itself. Since Israel can supply it, it takes advantage of that convenience. Chinese policy on Iran is quite different from that of the UK and France, but similar to that of Russia. How can you say that a nation that has stood in the way of more sanctions has the same policy as nations that have advocated more sanctions??? China's financing the US military is not intentional; it is something it can't control since it simply finances US overspending and that includes our military spending. Most Chinese probably don't hate the USA but that does not mean that the leadership is not opposed to the USA's policies in Asia. You think China likes to have the USA equip Taiwan with all sorts of military equipment? Or ambiguously threaten to go to war with China were China to make a move on Taiwan? Think a little. Think!
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-03 04:32:07
"What is it going to take to break this intervention cycle? An unforseen geopolitical event? A massive rise in inflation which is already happening? " I would imagine that the current arrangement will persist and grow until it collapses under its own weight (ie no longer serves the immediate interests of responsible for maintaining it, or obviously ceases to have the intended effect). As a process it has, thus far, proved robust to severe shocks and events, eg war and credit market dislocations. At what point does continuing CB purchase of $ securities cease to support the dollar? It would seem we have almost reached that point, given the recent $ action. Perhaps when Chinese inflation gets out of control? Trying to identify that point is what keeps us reading Brad's blog. We are still waiting for the answer, Brad! [OT: By the way, does anyone have a clue why silver lease rates are negative?]
Reply to this comment By t on 2007-10-03 05:21:30
"[China] would certainly like to dominate Asia and it will." Perhaps "Asia" is not meant to include India (in the same way that Europe doesn't include the UK?). But, for what it's worth, if there is a race for dominance between India and China, my money is on India.
Reply to this comment By a on 2007-10-03 06:27:18
I know there are a lot of china supporters on this board and I dont have anything really personal against China, but I dont understand how a country that still engaged in central planning and its main tool for growth is undervaluing its exchange rate is going to dominante anytime soon. Guest- My guess is the fed was wondering if longterm rates were going to move in the face of there 50 bp cut. Apparently the dollar peggers held there ground which caused oil, gold to sky. I guess we can look forward to more inflation in the pipeline.
Reply to this comment By Shrek on 2007-10-03 06:50:26
"Under the Arab empire, the Jewish never had an struggle in spain, and they very well respected in the islam world, untii the Israel state." This is a hideous lie. Throughout the Muslim world Jews were treated as dhimmi and subjected to special onerous laws covering virtually every area of their lives including property, taxes and clothing. Jews were granted virtually no protection by law and could be imprisoned and assaulted almost at will by Muslims. Rioting against Jews and pogroms were also not uncommon. Life may not have been quite as difficult or dangerous for Jews as in Eastern Europe, but that is not saying very much. "Israel is very well armed country who occupies foreign lands and destroys houses out of their land, and then they say that the area belongs to them." This statement displays such a disregard for the facts that I'm sure that no one outside of the confines of a lunatic asylum or madrassa would believe it, so I'll just let it go. "It seems that you don't watch to TV or you are out of mind referring to Israel. I only will tell you that the first prime ministers there, were all terrorist (or ex-terrorist) in the actual sense." Yet another breathtaking lie that once again ignores the facts and fails to take into account the breathtaking brutality and genocidal aims of countless regimes in the Arab world towards the Jewish people. "It's clear the reason that most people in developed countries hated Israel." It's also clear that despite the enormous contribution by Jews to to the civilised world, most developed countries (including the U.S. and the UK) either actively collaborated in the genocide of the Jews of Europe or alternatively didn't lift a finger to help them even when the cost was minimal to non-existent (the Allies fought a war in spite of the Jews and not because of them). That says little or nothing about Jews or Israel and one hell of a lot about those other nations. Instead of trying to eradicate Israel, the Arab world should be trying its very best to emulate her many achievements. Surely, no Arab, not even the most hardened Islamofascist, is content for his civilisation to remain mired forever in a past which has far more in common with the middle ages than the twenty-first century.
Reply to this comment By Joshua on 2007-10-03 07:54:11
Brad, please clamp down on the Israel-Palestine-Jew-Muslim comments. It's important, it's emotive, and in my opinion it certainly doesn't belong on this blog, but somewhere else. Folks, if you want to fight, please 'take it outside' out of sight of the rest of us.
Reply to this comment By Anonymous on 2007-10-03 08:02:07
Wall Street Banks to be banned from Running China Brokerages http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aKHF14PqapXk&refer=china Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) -- China may prevent foreign investors from taking control of domestic brokerages, a setback to Wall Street's ambitions to tap the world's fastest-growing stock market, people familiar with the planned rules said. Overseas companies will be limited to owning stakes in publicly traded brokerages, with the foreign holding capped at 20 percent, said the two people, asking not to be identified before the rules are approved. The China Securities Regulatory Commission has submitted the draft rules to the State Council, the nation's highest decision-making body, they said. Said Tim Ferdinand, vice chairman of Euro Securities Ltd., the Chinese investment banking venture of CLSA Ltd. ``Foreign investment banks will have to accept that the Chinese are not going to open their financial markets quickly.''
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-03 08:32:46
Guest: China has no clear interest in US support of Israel or its war on Islamic nationalism. However it does have good reason to finance the US purchase of its goods and does so. That so much of this money is squandered by the US on a war in the Middle East is something it cannot control and simply has to accept unless it wants to disrupt the whole system. Agreed. China, as usual, is more concerned about domestic threats to the Party from unemployed urban workers. It doesn't care what the US uses the money for, as long as the proles are employed. Now, in hindsight, China would have been better off if the US had used all that low-interest debt for more productive uses. Had the US invested in infrastructure and health-care, that would have boosted long-term US growth and made the US more able to afford more Chinese goods. Or, at least the US might not have engaged in policies that jacked up the price of energy so much, thus costing China dearly. But, even at that, the revealed preference of the PBC is to use exchange rates as the preferred lever for domestic economic policy regardless of US spending choices.
Reply to this comment By EthanJ on 2007-10-03 08:43:29
Twofish, As a previous poster wrote, China's financing the US military is not intentional; it is something it can't control since it simply finances US overspending and that includes our military spending. Brad, Now imagine how much more prosperous the US might have been if the $800 billion wasn't wasted on the stupid Middle East wars by the Bush Administration. Now also imagine if the $1.2 trillion of sub-prime and Alt-A loans for contructing McMansions was allocated into infrastructure, education, research and development, and enviromental protection. The American people only have to blame themselves for the absolute idiots that they elect for the President, and for their own outrageous over-spending habits. Can't this nation find anyone else to elect than Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? Anyone who has visited Europe, Japan, Australia, or even Canada will tell you that no nation in the world wastes as much as the United States. On a British BBC program, depositors waiting for withdrawal at England's Northern Rock Bank were livid at the United States for the subprime toxic waste scandal. One elderly British gentleman on television was cursing, "Doesn't the United States have any rules, regulations, and laws anymore".
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-03 09:09:41
Guest: Of course the USA is standing in the way of the unification of Taiwan with China. The biggest obstacle isn't the United States but rather Taiwan public opinion. The reality is that no one on Taiwan wants to be ruled from Beijing and as long as this is true, the PRC risks being seen as the big bully, which gets Taiwan sympathy in the United States. Over the last three years Beijing has been able to change the dynamics a bit. Beijing really doesn't care about controlling Taiwan, it just wants a situation in which Taiwan is "part of China" and a lot of what Beijing has done in the last few years is to define what "part of China" means that is more acceptable to the United States and Taiwan. Guest: China has no need for Israel. It could get what it wants elsewhere or make it itself. US won't sell. Russia sells a bit, but it's equipment is not state of the art. EU won't sell because of human rights and US pressure. This leaves Israel who wants all the friends it can get. About Iran. Diplomacy is more subtle than being "for" or "against" something. At this point only the US is for cutting off oil (which would really bite Iran), but none of the other Security Council members are willing to go that far, yet. Things can change if Iran overplays its hand. Guest: China's financing the US military is not intentional; it is something it can't control since it simply finances US overspending and that includes our military spending. It *is* intentional in the sense that the PRC is doing it with its eyes open. The PRC can control this, just stop buying Treasuries, but it chooses not to because financing the US military is less objectionable to the PRC than a lot of the alternative actions. The significant thing is the amounts of wealth that the PRC is spending on the US military vis-a-vis its own military. Much of the reason for this is Beijing's analysis of the fall of the Soviet Union. Spending more on your military doesn't necessarily give you more security. Guest: You think China likes to have the USA equip Taiwan with all sorts of military equipment? Or ambiguously threaten to go to war with China were China to make a move on Taiwan? As long as the US isn't promoting Taiwan independence and recognizes "one China" it's nothing that Beijing will go to war over. And the US is a ****LOT**** better than the alternative which is Japan rising. The US and Beijing have been able to come to an understanding with respect to Taiwan. If Beijing were to invade tomorrow, the US would intervene, but Beijing really has no intention of doing that. Similarly the US is making it clear that it would not take kindly to a declaration of independence by Taiwan. Speaking personally, I think that a stalemate in the Taiwan Straits is a good thing. I have family in Taiwan, and the last thing I want is a PRC invasion. One civil war in which family members end up trying to kill each other is enough...... I was getting worried around 2002-2003 because the "stupid people" in Washington looked like they were setting the US and Beijing on a collision course. Guest: Think a little. Think! No. Don't think. Look, listen, and ask questions. The problem with thinking about other people's motives (particularly people in very different societies) is that one ends up assuming that other people have similar desires and motives, which is usually not true. It is the situation that people are sometimes willing to fight and die for one thing, but are indifferent to something else that seems pretty identical to an outsider. You are simply not going to piece together this by logical thought, and so you have to ask questions and listen rather than assume. One advantage that I have is that I have to flip between radically different points of view in my daily life, and in doing so it becomes obvious that actions that make total sense to someone in Beijing are inexplicable to someone in Washington and vice versa.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-03 09:13:33
Twofish, Rather than describing the Sino-US relationship as having a "mutual respect understanding", I think the relationship is better described as "a balance of mutual terror" in both the military and economic spheres. If China invades Taiwan, the United States threatens to nuke Beijing as former President Truman did. If the United States deploys combat troop in Taiwan, a Chinese General threatened to nuke Los Angeles. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration has retargeted Chinese cities with half the 1000 Nuclear strategic missile arsenal. The Chinese have countered by demonstrating the shootdown of a weather satelite, and are proceeding to deploy a new generation of Type-094 Nuclear SSBM Submarines with the JL-2 Intercontinental Ballistc missile system. In the economic sphere, both nations are locked in a mutual death embrace otherwise known as Bretton Woods II. The US cannot indefinitely accumulate liabilities, and the Chinese PBoC cannot indefinitely stockpile US Treasury bonds without exploding inflationary asset bubbles.
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-03 09:35:11
DC: Rather than describing the Sino-US relationship as having a "mutual respect understanding", I think the relationship is better described as "a balance of mutual terror" in both the military and economic spheres. The two are not exclusive. The attitude between the US and the PRC can best be described as "well we can both destroy each other, but we don't want to do that, so we should be nice to each other." The thing about nukes is that they are pretty useless for day-to-day politics. You just can't threaten someone into really liking you, respecting you, helping you, or disliking you less than before. Being liked and respected is important because it means that you can win a war without firing a shot. If the US and the PRC start shooting at each other, bin-Laden is the only one that is going to win, and I think that the PRC recognizes that the key to getting its long term political objectives is support (or at least non-opposition) from both the American and Taiwanese electorates. In the case of the US, the one big ideological conflict has been that the US has wanted to spread democracy, and this conflicts with the Communist Party's desire to stay in power. One consequence of Iraq, is that I think that the US public is no longer interested in regime change anywhere in the world. In the early-1990's, a US politician could say "let's try to overthrow the Communist Party of China and replace it with something democratic" and get a lot of public sympathy in the US. Today, if a US politician were to say the same thing, they wouldn't. Not after the Iraq mess......
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-03 12:11:49
The Bloomberg article is misleading. The CSRC is allowing foreign banks to take a 20% stake in domestic brokerages. The limit before the rule change was 0%. Also, I doubt that 20% is a permanent cap. They moved the limit from 0 to 20%, if things work out, they'll move the limits from 20% to 33 then to 40% then to 51%.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-03 12:20:54
Pentagon to oppose China Huawei buyout of 3Com Corporation http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071003/NATION/110030088/1001 A Chinese company with ties to Beijing's military and past links to Saddam Hussein's army in Iraq and the Taliban will gain access to U.S. defense-network technology under a proposed merger, Pentagon officials say. Huawei Technologies will merge with the Massachusetts-based 3Com network-equipment manufacturer in a deal announced last week. "Huawei is up to its eyeballs with the Chinese military," said a defense official concerned about the deal. Huawei was founded in 1988 by a Chinese military officer and got its start building military communications networks. "And now we are proposing to sell the PLA a key to our front door. This is a very dangerous trend," the official said, referring to the People's Liberation Army, as the Chinese military is called. Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican and ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee, said he is worried the deal will lead to the loss of sensitive technology to China. 3Com, through a subsidiary, provides the Pentagon and the Army with intrusion-detection equipment, and the merger potentially will provide Huawei access to strategic computer-network vulnerabilities, said defense officials speaking on the condition of anonymity. Defense officials said Huawei's past is the main cause for concern. Huawei technicians were involved in violating U.N. sanctions against Iraq in the early 2000s by illegally providing a fiber-optic network in Iraq that linked the Iraqi military's air-defense network.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-03 12:52:40
2fish: I don't think Taiwanese "public opinion" is what keeps China from taking over but rather the ambiguous threat of US military action if Taiwan is attacked. China does not obey "public opinion" if that conflicts with its national interest. Witness Tibet. China certainly wishes to reunite with Taiwan peacefully if possible. But if Taiwan were to move toward independence, China says it would take military action and I believe it. The US hopes this situation stays in suspense since having to defend Taiwan would be a terrible downer. If push came to shove I am quite certain the US would abandon Taiwan while screeching and screaming about "Chinese aggression". Why? Because Taiwan is merely a sentimental interest of the US; not a genuine national interest.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-03 13:58:40
I meant to add that Taiwanese independence is merely a sentimental issue for the USA; it is not a vital interest of ours. If Taiwan ceased to be "independent" the USA would not be harmed at all, other than having its prestige damaged, a great deal.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-03 14:03:46
One has to see Taiwan in an historical context. During most of the 20th century China was disunited and subject to foreign "spheres of influence". This continued during WWII and Chiang represented this: his wife who pretty much ran him was US educated and more American in outlook than Chinese. When Japan was defeated the US expected to turn Japan into a US protectorate (which it did) and also China. But shock of shocks, Chinese nationalism and anti-colonialism cloaked in the doctrine of Communism reared it head and China threw off US "protection." Chiang (our man in China) had to flee to Taiwan while Mao took over the mainland. From then on Taiwan has existed as a US "protectorate". We only agreed that it was part of China when we were desperate to enlist China vs. Russia. But Taiwan remains a US thorn in the side of independent China.
Reply to this comment By Guest on 2007-10-03 14:10:52
Guest: I don't think Taiwanese "public opinion" is what keeps China from taking over but rather the ambiguous threat of US military action if Taiwan is attacked. Taiwanese public opinion is part of the equation in that as long as not everyone in Taiwan hates Beijing, there is no incentive for Beijing to act. If you run into the situation where 70% of the people on Taiwan want immediate independence, then Beijing is in serious trouble because it is facing a war it does not want to fight. Guest: If push came to shove I am quite certain the US would abandon Taiwan while screeching and screaming about "Chinese aggression". Why? It depends on the specific circumstance. Taiwan is a multi-party parliamentary democracy. The United States has an stated interest in keeping multi-party parliamentary democracies from being taken over by one-party authoritarian states. The United States also has a stated interest in not looking like a paper tiger. If the PRC went crazy and invaded Taiwan tomorrow, the United States would intervene because Taiwan would get the same sort of sympathy that Kuwait did. The tricky situation comes in if Taiwan does something "provocative". Here it is vitally important that the PRC get as much sympathy as it can from both Taiwan and the United States, because the more support it has, the more it can act if Taiwan gets provocative, and the less Taiwan is likely to do something provocative. If the PRC comes across looking like a crazed bully, then people will start talking about Munich/Hitler/Pearl Harbor and you will have four aircraft carriers very quickly. However, if the PRC seems reasonable and Taiwan seems like a crazy spoiled child, then everything will be over for Taiwan very quickly. Guest: This continued during WWII and Chiang represented this: his wife who pretty much ran him was US educated and more American in outlook than Chinese. Times have changed. Chiang Kai-Shek's successors are the people who are most pro-Beijing people on Taiwan. The Kuomintang and the Communist Party are in a de-facto alliance now against Taiwan independence. Beijing has changed its tone and is putting up pictures of Sun Yat-Sen instead of Mao and saying really nice things about Chiang Kai-Shek. Hong Kong has made a big difference. Before 1997, everyone was talking about tanks in the streets, and the death of Hong Kong. Despite the debates about universal suffrage, Hong Kong is booming and illustrates that Beijing does for the most part keep its promises. Part of what has changed the outlook of the Chinese government is that large numbers of people within the government (particularly in the foreign and commerce ministries) are US educated. This is a good thing because unlike Japan before World War II, you have people who more or less understand what the US would fight for and what it won't fight for. Democracy and freedom are things that Americans really believe in. To tie this in with dollar reserves. I don't think that anyone in China or the United States would *intentionally* cause a crisis in the Taiwan straits. It's the unintentional stuff that is scary. Hu Jintao is just not going to wake up tomorrow and decide to invade. What could happen is that a PRC patrol boat stops a Taiwanese fishing vessel, miscommunication happens, shots are fired, and then things spin out of control..... There are at least two incidents in the last eight years which could have been disastrous had someone stepped in one direction or another by one foot.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-03 15:20:08
When push comes to shove, I don't think the US will risk a global nuclear confrontation with China over Taiwan regardless of public opinion. The next generation Type-094 SSBN Submarine with longer range JL-2 Strategic Missiles is currently replacing the Type-092 SSBN with older JL-1 Strategic Missiles. The land based, solid fuel, mobile DF-31 Strategic Missile is currently replacing the silo based DF-5 Strategic Missiles in the China PLA arsenal. The modernized Chinese Strategic nuclear arsenal is far more survivable today for launching a second intercontinental missile strike against targets across the world. Like it or not, the Washington Consensus needs to confront the geo-political reality that China already is today the dominant military power in the Western Pacific.
Reply to this comment By Dave Chiang on 2007-10-03 15:43:06
thx for the heads up from the times re: 3comm and the pentagon. given that 3comm seems to pretty much already do most things out of china, i am not sure what in practice would change with a change in ownership (i.e. don't they have a big joint venture with Huawei already?) but there is a strong set of concern re: china in the pentagon that this may tap into ...
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-03 15:49:37
I would support deleting the most off-topic of this geopolitical debate, partly as a disincentive to post it, and partly so that I don't have to plough through it looking for something interesting about international economics. It is becoming tedious!
Reply to this comment By RebelEconomist on 2007-10-03 16:05:46
I'll try to behave myself about posting more economics stuff, and I'll try to link some of the stuff I've talked about concerning the Beijing's attitudes toward public opinion to currency reserves. About Huawei.... Please, if you are going to quote an article, do quote the article accurately. The article itself said nothing about the Pentagon opposing the deal, quite the reverse in fact. It's the usual Bill Gertz stuff...... Except that over time, fewer and fewer people care what he thinks.... Whether or not there will be any objections depends on whether or not there is any commercial interests that wants to scuttle the deal, and I doubt there will be. The investment bank involved likely made a list of every company that would want to block this sale, and invited them to join in. They also likely made a list of Congressmen who might be opposed to the deal, and had a talk with all of them. This likely involved lobbyists having lunch with Congressmen, making promises about investment and jobs for their districts and assurances that plants won't be closed. Linking this back to international economics and my previous posts. The PRC is about to go on a massive buying spree with its currency reserves, and it's paying a lot of attention on how to do these sorts of deals without a massive backlash. One important rule. Don't gloat. If the people involved walked around, and said "HA HA!!!! China is taking over industries from you stupid, lazy Americans and we are going to kick your rear end out of East Asia!!!!!!!" what do you think the chances are of these sorts of deals going through???? Instead, what the investment bank did was to talk to everyone. Find out what they wanted, and gave it to them. Congressmen want jobs. Businessmen want money. Beijing wants technology to be a superpower. Shake hands and make the deals. This leaves Bill Gertz and some unnamed defense department officials totally outmanuevered, and this is just the beginning. There is bunch of Chinese money about to make its way back to the United States, and its probably not going to be the case that politics is the limited factor. So lets see. $200 billion/year of US capital going to China. $200 billion/year coming back in the form of Chinese purchases of US equity. For this to be sustainable the US would have to generate that much equity per year. Since total capital stock in the US is about $90 trillion, So it looks like this system is indefinitely sustainable barring some political shock.
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-03 17:57:50
2fish -- your numbers are likely a bit off. China has $500b to place abroad, and that total is rising. That arguably is still small relative to the us capital stock, but it is huge relative to what the political traffic will bear if it is invested in controlling stakes in equities rather than bonds. If it is spread around and invested in something that looks like an index, it looks a bit more sustainable -- but I am pretty confident that there isn't a political consensus to sell China $500b (or even a bit less) of US companies a year ... The story you told about buying off opposition to the deal makes total sense, but i am not sure 3comm is in a position to offer all that much -- bain may be, if it really wants the deal. but bain cann't exactly go around claiming its next private equity deal won't involve layoffs. Your analysis was spot on in terms of state of the art technique for minimizing political opposition, but i am not sure that this is the kind of deal that requires pulling out all stops. i suspect the real key is whether or not the US gov (or parts of it) thinks 3comm has some proprietary technology that it would rather not sell ... just guessing tho. and given how much of 3comm's activities now already are in china, i am (without knowing much) skeptical that 3comm has all that much that China doesn't already have.
Reply to this comment By bsetser on 2007-10-03 19:02:45
Re: i am (without knowing much) skeptical that 3comm has all that much that China doesn't already have. 3com does have a patent portfolio and cross-licensing agreements with the major telecom players. It's most valuable to Huawei as an IP shield against patent-infringement lawsuits, etc. Count on Huawei to absorb 3com in time.
Reply to this comment By LW on 2007-10-03 23:07:29
bsetser: bain may be, if it really wants the deal. but bain cann't exactly go around claiming its next private equity deal won't involve layoffs. If there is PRC money behind it, it could be. One could imagine a situation in which impact on employment is one of the review criterion that CIC uses to determine what investments to make. Ultimately there are political limits to what the PRC can invest, but if it turns out that the PRC can portray itself as a creator of American jobs (which BTW is one thing that the Japanese have been able to do), then those limits are going to be much higher than they otherwise would be,
Reply to this comment By Twofish on 2007-10-04 01:16:25
Hi Brad, I disagree strongly with your claim that ‘central banks came close to financing the entire US current account deficit over the past four quarters’. While this makes great copy, I think this claim is highly disingenuous and deflects attention away from the one of the key developments with regard of the current account deficit over the last year on which you have been strangely silent; namely, the extraordinary strength of private, not ‘official,’ capital inflows. More generally, I find it rather bizarre that the economic discourse seems to focus in ever shriller fashion on the likelihood of official capital flows into the US evaporating even as the hard data show the US attracting private capital on a scale never seen before in history. I think its time to even up the debate a little. Let’s focus on the BEA capital account data which, while they have their limitations, nevertheless provide the detail on the web of financial transactions that, with a balancing item, underlie developments in the current account. We both know that comparing gross inflow data on ‘official’ i.e. central bank purchases of US assets with the net current account position makes no sense and is bad economics. Here’s an example why. A person has wage income of $1000 per year and also receives $100 in dividend payments. He manages to save a $100 a year. Is the $100 dividend check financing his entire saving? You try to sidestep this issue by claiming that private sector inflows basically cancel out private sector outflows leaving the net balance i.e. the current account balance entirely dependent upon central bank financing to do the ‘heavy lifting required to finance the external deficit’. I don’t think it is correct to cut the capital flow accounting ‘cake’ in this way but let’s crunch the numbers this way anyway. Apologies for the data-dense nature of what follows but that is the nature of this particular beast. Drilling down in the BEA data (latest available 2007Q2), capital inflows into the US were a mind-blowing $2.48 trillion annualized or 18% of GDP in the second quarter! Never before has so much capital flooded into the US. Nor is this a quarterly flash in the pan. Given the inherent volatility of the quarterly capital account data, let’s look at average inflows in the year to 2007Q2. These averaged a record 16.3% over the last four quarters. To put this in context, gross inflows into the US in the 1990s averaged 5.0% of GDP. And what is the composition of these record capital inflows in terms of the split between ‘private’ and ‘official’? In Q2, private capital inflows were a huge $2.201 trillion (16% of GDP) while ‘official’ inflows were a more modest $280bn annualized. Hmm, so private capital inflows in Q2 were almost ten times as large as central bank inflows! Smoothing the data over the last year only changes the position a little. In the year to Q2 2007, private capital inflows into the US were worth $1.786 trillion while ‘official’ inflows were worth $416bn according to the BEA. No-one questions that official inflows are undoubtedly high in absolute terms but the strength of these flows surely needs to be measured against the incredibly elevated level of total capital flows currently prevailing. As a proportion of total capital inflows, the latest BEA data suggest that the size of ‘official’ flows is basically ‘normal’. Their long-run (1977-2005) share of total inflows is about 16%. In the year to 2007Q2, they accounted for just 19%. So let’s turn to the size of capital outflows to test your claim that private inflows/outflows are basically netting out. Like inflows, the scale of US capital outflows has exploded (lots of hard currency, real economy assets in the rest of the world). Capital outflows amounted to an annualized $1.877 trillion in 2007Q2. Over the year to 2007Q2, they averaged $1.418 trillion or 10.5% of GDP. Referring back to the private inflow data detailed above, we see that, in Q2, private capital inflows exceeded outflows by around an annualized $300bn in Q2 and, over the last year, by some $368 billion ($1.786 trillion of private inflows vs. $1.418 trillion of capital outflows). If we cut the cake your way, then the bottom line from the BEA data therefore is that the $793 current account deficit over the last year has been financed roughly 50/50 by net private capital ($369bn) and ‘official’ flows ($416bn). Now I know that you don’t trust the BEA official data and expect them to be revised up (a view I have some sympathy with) but the revision would need to be an enormous $300bn+ to justify your claim about central bank financing. But, more generally, isn’t all this in the eye of the statistical beholder? We can cut and paste the mix of gross and net flow data in a number of ways. For example, it is wholly correct to argue that central banks financed around 30% of record US investments abroad over the last year while surging private capital inflows financed the remaining 70% and, of course, all of the current account deficit. The implications of presenting the data this way are quite startling. If central banks stopped buying $’s overnight, the US would need to cut its current record spending on overseas assets by around 30% (from 10.5% of GDP to around 7% of GDP – note average outflows in the 1990s were only 3.5% of GDP) to finance the current account deficit, assuming an unchanged rate of private inflows. Obviously there are many other questions/debates (are central bank flows really that ‘special’ and are they less or more footloose than private flows??) that are germane here but, in the meantime, let’s hear more about the incredible strength of private capital inflows into the US over the last year. To paraphrase you, $2.2 trillion annualised of private inflows in Q2 certainly gets my attention! By the way, it is nearly a year ago since we debated the prospects for the US net investment income balance given the outlook of a sharply slowing US economy that risked falling into recession but a buoyant global economy……how about an anniversary post?
Reply to this comment By Richard Iley on 2007-10-04 11:08:14
Albert Keidel has published an article asserting that China's inflation is domestically driven by its ag policies in re grain supplies and asserting that is the key to understanding what is happening there and not the ramifications of its export policies and reserve buildup. I suspect that the Chinese are trying to balance competing/conflicting demands and that the focus exclusively on the domestic economy as the inflation driver is overdone. But I have not read the other articles on the site where the link below takes one, so I'd welcome what others who take the time to read at least the article referenced below have to say. http://www.carnegieendowment.org/events/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail&id=996&&prog=zch
Reply to this comment By pogo on 2007-10-04 17:40:29
Fantastic blog, just discovered. My take is that Asians CBs know the score on the $, are desperate to diversify but hamstrung by the volume of new flows and the desire to maintain supercompetitive exchange rates. But that all could be changing as they face rising inflation threats. One way or another the next bubble is Emerging (esp Asian) markets. Plus gold, of course.
Reply to this comment By oldasiahand on 2007-10-04 18:23:33
You guys are catching up with Elaine: http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/money_matters/
Reply to this comment By Anonymous on 2007-10-07 16:00:53
Written by Richard Iley on 2007-10-04 11:08:14 Very refreshing to see some actual analysis in the comments section. Your point is worthy of more substantial debate. Unfortunately it conflicts with the agenda.
Reply to this comment By on 2007-10-09 07:10:06
If those emerging economies that don't report detailed data on the currency composition of their reserves acted like those who do report -- are now adding about $200b to their dollar reserves a quarter wrought iron furniture.
Reply to this comment By Wrought Iron Furniture on 2009-07-31 15:33:30

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